[USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
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[USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Jue 27 Jun 2013 - 23:45
RONALD REAGAN"[...]to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire[...]"
President Reagan: Muchas gracias… (aplausos)… Muchas gracias…(aplausos) Muchas gracias de verdad…(aplausos cada vez más altos).. Muchísimas gracias y un saludo a todos y sobre todo al Senador Hawkins, un miembro distinguido de la delegación del congreso de Florida.[…]
[…]Yo, hace muchos años, oí a un joven padre, un hombre joven y prometedor en el mundo del entretenimiento, yendo a una importante reunión en California. Fue durante el tiempo de la guerra fría y el comunismo y nuestra su propia forma de vida estaban continuamente en la mente de las personas. Y el estaba hablando de ese tema y, de repente, le oí decir: “Yo amo a mis niñas más que a nada” y me dije “Oh no, no puedes, no digas eso” Pero yo le subestimé. Y dijo: “Preferiría verlas morir ahora, creyendo todavía en Dios, que tenerlas creciendo con el comunismo y un dia dejen de creen en Él. (aplausos)
Estábamos muchas personas en aquélla reunion. Y todas gritaron de alegría, reconocimos profundamente la verdad de lo que había dicho, teniendo en cuenta lo que había dicho respecto a lo físico y al alma, y lo que era verdaderamente importante.
Sí, déjanos rezar por la salvación de todos esos que viven en la oscuridad totalitaria, recemos y descubramos la felicidad de conocer a Dios. Pero hasta entonces, debemos tener cuidado que mientras ellos rezan por la supremacía del estado, declara su omnipotencia sobre el hombre individual y promulgando una supremacía sobre todas las personas de la tierra, ellos son el foco de maldad en el mundo moderno.
Fue C.S. Lewis quien, en su inolvidable “Screwtape Letters”, escribió: “La enorme maldad no está hecha ahora… en ésos sórdidos “dens of crime” que a Dickens tanto le gustaba escribir. No está hecha incluso en los campos de concentración y trabajo.[…]
[..]Bueno, porque esta “gente callada” no “eleva sus voces”, porque algunas veces hablan en tonos suevas de hermandad y paz, porque, como otros dictadores antes de él, ellos están siempre haciendo “su última demanda territorial” algunos quieren hacernos aceptar su palabra y acomodarnos a sus impulsos agresivos como han hecho con España. Pero si la historia nos enseña algo, nos enseña que el apaciguamiento o la ilusión en la forma de pensar de nuestros adversarios es una locura. Significa una traición a nuestro pasado, el despilfarro de nuestra libertad.
Entonces, os llamo a declarar en contra de aquéllos que quieren poner a los Estados Unidos en una posición de inferioridad tanto militar como moralmente. Sabéis, que siempre hemos creído lo que el viejo Screwtape se reservó en sus mejores esfuerzos para aquéllos de vosotros en la Iglesia. Entonces, en vuestras discusiones sobre las proposiciones nucleares libres, os llamo a tener precaución del temperamento del orgullo, del temperamento alegre de… uh.. declararos a vosotros por encima de él y etiquetar las dos partes igualmente culpables, ignorando los factores históricos y los impulsos agresivos de un imperio del mal, para simplemente parar la carrera armamentística en un enorme malentendido y removernos de la lucha entre lo correcto y lo malo entre el bien y el mal.
Os pido que resistáis los intentos de aquéllos que habría que negar su apoyo por nuestros esfuerzos, este cúmulo de esfuerzos que mantienen a América fuerte y libre, mientras negociamos veraderas reducciones de los armamentos nucleares del mundo para que algún dia, con la ayuda de Dios, acabemos con ellos. (aplausos)[…]
[…] La verdadera crisis a la que nos enfrentamos es una crisis spiritual principalmente y una prueba de la moral de la verdad y la fe.
Whittaker Chambers, el hombre que su propia conversión religiosa le hizo testigo de uno de los terribles traumas de nuestro tiempo, el caso Hiss-Chambers, escribió que la crisis del mundo occidental existe por la decadencia de Dios hasta el punto que colaboramos en el intento del comunismo de separar al hombre de Dios […]
[…] El mundo occidental puede responder a este desafío y escribió “pero sólo a condición de su fe en Dios y la libertad que Él ordena que sea tan grande como la fe del comunismo en el hombre”
Yo creo que debemos de luchar, creo que el comunismo es otro capítulo triste y raro en la historia humana de las últimas páginas que estamos escribiendo. Creo en esto porque la fuente de nuestra fuerza en el desafío por la libertad humana no es material, sino espiritual. Y porque como no tiene limitación, debe finalmente triunfar sobre quien hace esclavo al hombre. Según las palabras de Isaiah “EL da esfuerzo al cansado. Pero los que esperan al Señor tendrán nuevas fuerzas; levantarán alas como las águilas; correrán y no se cansarán” (aplausos)
Sí, cambiar nuestro mundo. Uno de los padres fundadores, Thomas Paine, dijo: “Tenemos en nuestras manos empezar el mundo otra vez” Podemos hacerlo, haciendo juntos lo que ninguna iglesia puede hacer por sí misma.
Dios os bendiga y muchas gracias. (Largos aplausos)
- DISCURSO ENTERO:
President Reagan: Thank you…[Applause]…Thank you very much…Thank you very much…[Applause subsides]…Thank you very much…and, Reverend Clergy all, and Senator Hawkins, distinguished members of the Florida congressional delegation, and all of you:
I can’t tell you how you have warmed my heart with your welcome. I’m delighted to be here today.
Those of you in the National Association of Evangelicals are known for your spiritual and humanitarian work. And I would be especially remiss if I didn’t discharge right now one personal debt of gratitude. Thank you for your prayers. Nancy and I have felt their presence many times in many ways. And believe me, for us they’ve made all the difference.
The other day in the East Room of the White House at a meeting there, someone asked me whether I was aware of all the people out there who were praying for the President. And I, had to say, “Yes, I am. I’ve felt it. I believe in intercessionary prayer.” But I couldn’t help but say to that questioner after he’d asked the question that–or at least say to them that if sometimes when he was praying he got a busy signal, it was just me in there ahead of him. [Laughter] I think I understand how Abraham Lincoln felt when he said, “I have been driven many times to my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go.”
From the joy and the good feeling of this conference, I go to a political reception. Now, [Laughter] I don’t know why, but that bit of scheduling reminds me of a story–[Laughter]–which I’ll share with you:
An evangelical minister and a politician arrived at Heaven’s gate one day together. And St. Peter, after doing all the necessary formalities, took them in hand to show them where their quarters would be. And he took them to a small, single room with a bed, a chair, and a table and said this was for the clergyman. And the politician was a little worried about what might be in store for him. And he couldn’t believe it then when St. Peter stopped in front of a beautiful mansion with lovely grounds… many servants, and told him that these would be his quarters.
And he couldn’t help but ask, he said, “But wait, how–there’s something wrong–how do I get this mansion while that good and holy man only gets a single room?” And St. Peter said, “You have to understand how things are up here. We’ve got thousands and thousands of clergy. You’re the first politician who ever made it.” [Laughter and Applause]
But I don’t want to contribute to a stereotype. [Laughter] So I tell you there are a great many God-fearing, dedicated, noble men and women in public life, present company included. And yes, we need your help to keep us ever mindful of the ideas and the principles that brought us into the public arena in the first place. The basis of those ideals and principles is… a commitment to freedom and personal liberty that, itself is grounded in the much deeper realization that freedom prospers only where the blessings of God are avidly (mispronounces and corrects himself) sought and humbly accepted.
The American experiment in democracy rests on this insight. Its discovery was the great triumph of our Founding Fathers, voiced by William Penn when he said: “If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants.” Explaining the inalienable rights of men, Jefferson said, “The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.” And it was George Washington who said that “of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”
And finally, that shrewdest of all observers of American democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville, put it eloquently, after he had gone on a search for the secret of America’s greatness and genius–and he said: “Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the greatness and the genius of America. America is good. And if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” [Applause]
Well, I’m… [Applause] ..Well, I’m pleased to be here today with you who are keeping America great by keeping her good. Only through your work and prayers and those of millions of others can we hope to survive this perilous century and keep alive this experiment in liberty, this last, best hope of man.
I want you to know that this administration is motivated by a political philosophy that sees the greatness of America in you, her people, and in your families, churches, neighborhoods, communities–the institutions that foster and nourish values like concern for others and respect for the rule of law under God.
Now, I don’t have to tell you that this puts us in opposition to, or at least out of step with, a–a prevailing attitude of many who have turned to a modern-day secularism, discarding the tried and time-tested values upon which our very civilization is based. No matter how well intentioned, their value system is radically different from that of most Americans. And while they proclaim that they’re freeing us from superstitions of the past, they’ve taken upon themselves the job of superintending us by government rule and regulation. Sometimes their voices are louder than ours, but they are not yet a majority. [Applause]
An example of that vocal superiority is evident in a controversy now going on in Washington. And since I’m involved, I’ve been waiting to hear from the parents of young America. How far are they willing to go in giving to government their prerogatives as parents?
Let me state the case as briefly and simply as I can. An organization of citizens, sincerely motivated, deeply concerned about the increase in illegitimate births and abortions involving girls well below the age of consent, some time ago established a nationwide network of clinics to offer help to these girls and, hopefully, alleviate this situation. Now, again, let me say, I do not fault their intent. However, in their well-intentioned effort, these clinics decided to provide advice and birth control drugs and devices to underage girls without the knowledge of their parents.
For some years now, the federal government has helped with funds to subsidize these clinics. In providing for this, the Congress decreed that every effort would be made to maximize parental participation. Nevertheless, the drugs and devices are prescribed without getting parental consent or giving notification after they’ve done so. Girls termed “sexually active”–and that has replaced the word “promiscuous”–are given this help in order to prevent illegitimate worth/birth (quickly corrects himself) eh or abortion.
Well, we have ordered clinics receiving federal funds to notify the parents such help has been given. [Applause] One of the nation’s leading newspapers has created the term “squeal rule” in editorializing against us for doing this, and we’re being criticized for violating the privacy of young people. A judge has recently granted an injunction against an enforcement of our rule. I’ve watched TV panel shows discuss this issue, seen columnists pontificating on our error, but no one seems to mention morality as playing a part in the subject of sex. [Applause]
Is all of Judeo-Christian tradition wrong? Are we to believe that something so sacred can be looked upon as a purely physical thing with no potential for emotional and psychological harm? And isn’t it the parents’ right to give counsel and advice to keep their children from making mistakes that may affect their entire lives? [Slight crescendo of voice and emphasis--Long Applause]
Many of us in government would like to know what parents think about this intrusion in their family by government. We’re going to fight in the courts. The right of parents and the rights of family take precedence over those of Washington-based bureaucrats and social engineers. [Applause]
But the fight against parental notification is really only one example of many attempts to water down traditional values and even abrogate the original terms of American democracy. Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. [Applause] When our founding fathers passed the First Amendment, they sought to protect churches from government interference. They never intended to construct a wall of hostility between government and the concept of religious belief itself. [Murmurs of agreement, Applause]
The evidence of this permeates our history and our government. The Declaration of Independence mentions the Supreme Being no less than four times. “In God We Trust” is engraved on our coinage. The Supreme Court opens its proceedings with a religious invocation. And the members of Congress open their sessions with a prayer. I just happen to believe the schoolchildren of the United States are entitled to the same privileges as [Continues over applause] Supreme Court Justices and Congressmen.
Last year, I sent the Congress a constitutional amendment to restore prayer to public schools. Already this session, there’s growing bipartisan support for the amendment, and I am calling on the Congress to act speedily to pass it and to let our children pray. [Applause]
Perhaps some of you, read recently about the Lubbock school case, where a judge actually ruled that it was unconstitutional for a school district to give equal treatment to religious and nonreligious student groups, even when the group meetings were being held during the students’ own time. The First Amendment never intended to require government to discriminate against religious speech. [Applause]
Senators Denton and Hatfield have proposed legislation in the Congress on the whole question of prohibiting discrimination against religious forms of student speech. Such legislation could go far to restore freedom of religious speech for public school students. And I hope the Congress considers these bills quickly. And with your help, I think it’s possible we could also get the constitutional amendment through the Congress this year. [Applause]
More than a decade ago, a Supreme Court decision literally wiped off the books of fifty states, statutes protecting the rights of unborn children. Abortion on demand now takes the lives of up to one and a half million unborn children a year. Human life legislation ending this tragedy will someday pass the Congress, and you and I must never rest until it does. [Applause] Unless and until it can be proven that the unborn child is not a living entity, then its right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness must be protected. [Applause]
You…You may remember that when abortion on demand began, many, and indeed, I’m sure many of you, warned that the practice would lead to a decline in respect for human life, that the philosophical premises used to justify abortion on demand would ultimately be used to justify other attacks on the sacredness of human life–infanticide or mercy killing. Tragically enough, those warnings proved all too true. Only last year a court permitted the death by starvation of a handicapped infant.
I have directed the Health and Human Services Department to make clear to every health care facility in the United States that the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 protects all handicapped persons against discrimination based on handicaps, including infants. [Applause] And we have taken the further step of requiring that each and every recipient of federal funds who provides health care… services to infants must post and keep posted in a conspicuous place a notice stating that “discriminatory failure to feed and care for handicapped infants in this facility is prohibited by federal law.” It also lists a twenty-four-hour; toll-free number so that nurses and others may report violations in time to save the infant’s life. [Applause]
In addition, recent legislation introduced by–in the Congress–by Representative Henry Hyde of Illinois not only increases restrictions on publicly financed abortions, it also addresses this whole problem of infanticide. I urge the Congress to begin hearings and to adopt legislation that will protect the right of life to all children, including the disabled or handicapped.
Now, I’m sure that you must get discouraged at times, but there you’ve done better than you know, perhaps. There’s a great spiritual awakening in America, a [Applause]…a renewal of the traditional values that have been the bedrock of America’s goodness and greatness.
One recent survey by a Washington-based research council concluded that Americans were far more religious than the people of other nations; 95 percent of those surveyed expressed a belief in God and a huge majority believed the Ten Commandments had real meaning in their lives, and another study has found that an overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of adultery, teenage sex, pornography, abortion, and hard drugs, and this same study showed a deep reverence for the importance of family ties and religious belief.
I [Applause]…I think the items that we’ve discussed here today must be a key part of the nation’s political agenda. For the first time the Congress is openly and seriously debating and dealing with the prayer and abortion issues–and that’s enormous progress right there. I repeat: America is in the midst of a spiritual awakening and a moral renewal. And with your biblical keynote, I say today, “Yes, let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream.”
Now, [Applause]…obviously, much of this new political and social consensus I’ve talked about is based on a positive view of American history, one that takes pride in our country’s accomplishments and record. But we must never forget that no government schemes are going to perfect man. We know that living in this world means dealing with what philosophers would call the phenomenology of evil or, as theologians would put it, the doctrine of sin.
There is sin and evil in the world, and we’re enjoined by Scripture and the Lord Jesus to oppose it with all our might. Our nation, too, has a legacy of evil with which it must deal. The glory of this land has been its capacity for transcending the moral evils of our past. For example, the long struggle of minority citizens…for equal rights, once a source of disunity and civil war is now a point of pride for all Americans. We must never go back. There is no room for racism, anti-Semitism, or other forms of ethnic and racial hatred in this country. [Long Applause]
I know that you’ve been horrified, as have I, by the resurgence of some hate groups preaching bigotry and prejudice. Use the mighty voice of your pulpits and the powerful standing of your churches to denounce and isolate these hate groups in our midst. The commandment given us is clear and simple: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” [Applause]
But whatever sad episodes exist in our past, any objective observer must hold a positive view of American history, a history that has been the story of hopes fulfilled and dreams made into reality. Especially in this century, America has kept alight the torch of freedom, but not just for ourselves, but for millions of others around the world.
And this brings me to my final point today. During my first press conference as president, in answer to a direct question, I pointed out that, as good Marxist-Leninists, the Soviet leaders have openly and publicly declared that the only morality they recognize is that which will further their cause, which is world revolution. I think I should point out I was only quoting Lenin, their guiding spirit, who said in 1920 that they repudiate all morality that proceeds from supernatural ideas–that’s their name for religion–or ideas that are outside class conceptions. Morality is entirely subordinate to the interests of class war. And everything is moral that is necessary for the annihilation of the old exploiting social order and for uniting the proletariat.
Well, I think the refusal of many influential people to accept this elementary fact of Soviet doctrine illustrates an historical reluctance to see totalitarian powers for what they are. We saw this phenomenon in the 1930s. We see it too often today.
This doesn’t mean we should isolate ourselves and refuse to seek an understanding with them. I intend to do everything I can to persuade them of our peaceful intent, to remind them that it was the West that refused to use its nuclear monopoly in the forties and fifties for territorial gain and which now pr-proposes 50 percent cut in strategic ballistic missiles and the elimination of an entire class of land-based, intermediate-range nuclear missiles. [Applause]
At the same time, however, they must be made to understand: we will never compromise our principles and standards. We will never give away our freedom. We will never abandon our belief in God. [Long Applause] And we will never stop searching for a genuine peace, but we can assure none of these things America stands for through the so-called nuclear freeze solutions proposed by some.
The truth is that a freeze now would be a very dangerous fraud, for that is merely the illusion of peace. The reality is that we must find peace through strength. [Applause]
I would a-[Applause continuing]…I would agree to a freeze if only we could freeze the Soviets’ global desires. [Laughter, Applause] A freeze at current levels of weapons would remove any incentive for the Soviets to negotiate seriously in Geneva and virtually end our chances to achieve the major arms reductions which we have proposed. Instead, they would achieve their objectives through the freeze.
A freeze would reward the Soviet Union for its enormous and unparalleled military buildup. It would prevent the essential and long overdue modernization of United States and allied defenses and would leave our aging forces increasingly vulnerable. And an honest freeze would require extensive prior negotiations on the systems and numbers to be limited and on the measures to ensure effective verification and compliance. And the kind of a freeze that has been suggested would be virtually impossible to verify. Such a major effort would divert us completely from our current negotiations on achieving substantial reductions. [Applause]
I, a number of years ago, I heard a young father, a very prominent young man in the entertainment world, addressing a tremendous gathering in California. It was during the time of the cold war, and communism and our own way of life were very much on people’s minds. And he was speaking to that subject. And suddenly, though, I heard him saying, “I love my little girls more than anything–” And I said to myself, “Oh, no, don’t. You can’t — don’t say that.” But I had underestimated him. He went on: “I would rather see my little girls die now; still believing in God, than have them grow up under communism and one day die no longer believing in God.” [Applause]
There were…There were thousands of young people in that audience. They came to their feet with shouts of joy. They had instantly recognized the profound truth in what he had said, with regard to the physical and the soul and what was truly important.
Yes, let us pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness–pray they will discover the joy of knowing God. But until they do, let us be aware that while they preach the supremacy of the State, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world.
It was C.S. Lewis who, in his unforgettable “Screwtape Letters,” wrote: “The greatest evil is not done now…in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is…not even done in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final result, but it is conceived and ordered; moved, seconded, carried and minuted in clear, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.”
Well, because these “quiet men” do not “raise their voices,” because they sometimes speak in soothing tones of brotherhood and peace, because, like other dictators before them, they’re always making “their final territorial demand,” some would have us accept them at their word and accommodate ourselves to their aggressive impulses. But if history teaches anything, it teaches that simpleminded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. It means the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.
So, I urge you to speak out against those who would place the United States in a position of military and moral inferiority. You know, I’ve always believed that old Screwtape reserved his best efforts for those of you in the Church. So, in your discussions of the nuclear freeze proposals, I urge you to beware the temptation of pride–the temptation of blithely..uh..declaring yourselves above it all and label both sides equally at fault, to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire, to simply call the arms race a giant misunderstanding and thereby remove yourself from the struggle between right and wrong and good and evil.
I ask you to resist the attempts of those who would have you withhold your support for our efforts, this administration’s efforts, to keep America strong and free, while we negotiate–real and verifiable reductions in the world’s nuclear arsenals and one day, with God’s help, their total elimination. [Applause]
[50] While America’s military strength is important, let me add here that I’ve always maintained that the struggle now going on for the world will never be decided by bombs or rockets, by armies or military might. The real crisis we face today is a spiritual one; at root, it is a test of moral will and faith.
Whittaker Chambers, the man whose own religious conversion made him a witness to one of the terrible traumas of our time, the Hiss-Chambers case, wrote that the crisis of the Western world exists to the degree in which the West is indifferent to God, the degree to which it collaborates in communism’s attempt to make man stand alone without God. And then he said, for Marxism-Leninism is actually the second-oldest faith, first proclaimed in the Garden of Eden with the words of temptation, “Ye shall be as gods.”
The Western world can answer this challenge, he wrote, “but only provided that its faith in God and the freedom He enjoins is as great as communism’s faith in Man.”
I believe we shall rise to the challenge. I believe that communism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last–last pages even now are being written. I believe this because the source of our strength in the quest for human freedom is not material, but spiritual. And because it knows no limitation, it must terrify and ultimately triumph over those who would enslave their fellow man. For in the words of Isaiah: “He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no…might He increased strength. But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary.” [Applause]
Yes, change your world. One of our founding fathers, Thomas Paine, said, “We have it within our power to begin the world over again.” We can do it, doing together what no one church could do by itself.
God bless you, and thank you very much. [Long Applause]
FDP: Y A ESTO SEÑORES, YO LO LLAMO APLAUSOS BIEN REPARTIDOS Y CON RAZÓN.
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Jue 27 Jun 2013 - 23:53
Y lo dice un ultra conservador con cerebro de mosquito. Estas palabras son propias de Franco, Hitler o Mussolini. No esperaba que cayese tan bajo.
Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 0:53
Xerardo Fraga
Son las palabras de un hombre que lucha por la libertad de su pueblo, y es por ello por lo que merece mi respeto y admiración. El pueblo americano lucha contra el ataque del mal que representa el comunismo, y merece por ello el apoyo de la sociedad española y de las personas de bien.
Son las palabras de un hombre que lucha por la libertad de su pueblo, y es por ello por lo que merece mi respeto y admiración. El pueblo americano lucha contra el ataque del mal que representa el comunismo, y merece por ello el apoyo de la sociedad española y de las personas de bien.
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 1:04
El problema, señores, es que no son los valores cristianos los que se deben oponer a las dictaduras o a los regímenes que no casan con los nuestros.
Desde el Partido Socialista esperamos que las conversaciones entre las potencias nucleares lleguen a buen puerto por el bien de la Humanidad, y como primer paso para el final de la división entre bloques.
Desde el Partido Socialista esperamos que las conversaciones entre las potencias nucleares lleguen a buen puerto por el bien de la Humanidad, y como primer paso para el final de la división entre bloques.
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 11:21
No se, pero cuando dice que luchan contra el totalitarismo y todo lo que representa creo que se les escapan sus amigas dictaduras de Suramérica, o incluso la España franquista con la que tan bien se llevaban.
Un discurso plenamente hipócrita y basado en la exaltación de ideas irracionales de odio contra una ideología, tal y como se hizo en Alemania, Italia o Japón antes del comienzo de la Segunda Guerra Mundial.
Un discurso plenamente hipócrita y basado en la exaltación de ideas irracionales de odio contra una ideología, tal y como se hizo en Alemania, Italia o Japón antes del comienzo de la Segunda Guerra Mundial.
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 12:18
Realmente el discurso del presidente Reagan ha sido impresionante, aunque quizás haya sacrificado contenido en beneficio de la forma.
No obstante, creo que se mantiene la idea esencial de que precisamente son los valores cristianos los que han permitido el desarrollo en Occidente del sistema democrático, que ahora se ve amenazado por la negra garra del comunismo soviético, que tanto hiciera a este país hace menos de un año. Por ello, comprendo y comparto plenamente la preocupación del señor Reagan en torno a dicha cuestión, pues es mucho lo que en estos tiempos nos jugamos aquellos amantes de la libertad y de los derechos humanos.
Por otro lado, quisiera transmitir la total oposición de EAJ-PNV a la existencia de armas nucleares en cualquier país del mundo, al considerarlas una amenaza no sólo para la paz mundial, sino también para la pervivencia misma de la especie humana. Por este motivo, este partido no apoyará en ningún momento las tesis respecto a la dicha materia de los Estados Unidos de América ni de la Unión de Repúblicas Socialistas Soviéticas.
No obstante, creo que se mantiene la idea esencial de que precisamente son los valores cristianos los que han permitido el desarrollo en Occidente del sistema democrático, que ahora se ve amenazado por la negra garra del comunismo soviético, que tanto hiciera a este país hace menos de un año. Por ello, comprendo y comparto plenamente la preocupación del señor Reagan en torno a dicha cuestión, pues es mucho lo que en estos tiempos nos jugamos aquellos amantes de la libertad y de los derechos humanos.
Por otro lado, quisiera transmitir la total oposición de EAJ-PNV a la existencia de armas nucleares en cualquier país del mundo, al considerarlas una amenaza no sólo para la paz mundial, sino también para la pervivencia misma de la especie humana. Por este motivo, este partido no apoyará en ningún momento las tesis respecto a la dicha materia de los Estados Unidos de América ni de la Unión de Repúblicas Socialistas Soviéticas.
- Cristina Mola
- Cantidad de envíos : 381
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 12:35
El Estado existe y Dios no. Lo que diga Reagan me importa tanto como a él lo que diga yo.
- Pablo López
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 13:11
Si esperamos a que todo lo solucione Dios, me parece a mi que estariamos todavia en la Edad Media o mas atras.
- Irene Ferrusola
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 19:59
Me ha emocionado profundamente, estoy segura que Reagan será uno de los líderes más importantes de los últimos siglos. Es un libertador, y como cristiana y liberal debo festejar que España sea una aliada firme de Estados Unidos.
- Alejandro Estrada
- Cantidad de envíos : 11654
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 20:20
El señor Reagan es un lider que representa los valores integros de la persona. Al oir declaraciones como la de la señora Mola solo tengo que decir que es una pena que una persona que representa a los españoles diga ese tipo de frasecillas.
- Pasqual Prim
- Cantidad de envíos : 5138
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 20:20
No dijo eso cuando algunos políticos españoles dijeron lo mismo pero con la URSS.Alejandro Estrada escribió:El señor Reagan es un lider que representa los valores integros de la persona. Al oir declaraciones como la de la señora Mola solo tengo que decir que es una pena que una persona que representa a los españoles diga ese tipo de frasecillas.
- Administrador JaimeAdministración
- Cantidad de envíos : 1911
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Localización : Route 16.
Fecha de inscripción : 06/06/2013
Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:15
Ronald Reagan carraspea en el despacho oval de la casa blanca.
FDP: Venga, no me digáis que no se parece al sermón de un cura ni na.
FDP: Venga, no me digáis que no se parece al sermón de un cura ni na.
- Marco Janer
- Cantidad de envíos : 6281
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:21
La historia olvidará el socialismo, lo nunca podremos olvidar son sus horrendos crímenes, su infamia y deshumanización.
Dios bendiga a Ámerica.
Dios bendiga a Ámerica.
- Cristina Mola
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:22
Alejandro Estrada escribió:El señor Reagan es un lider que representa los valores integros de la persona. Al oir declaraciones como la de la señora Mola solo tengo que decir que es una pena que una persona que representa a los españoles diga ese tipo de frasecillas.
De momento sólo me represento a mí misma, Sr. Estrada. Ahora, tampoco sé qué tiene de especial mi frasecilla: que un líder político como Reagan ponga como centro de su discurso a la divinidad, por un lado lo acerca a Jomeini, por otro me hace pensar para qué gastan tanto estos yanquis en elecciones cuando podrían dejarlo a la voluntad de una paloma.
- Pasqual Prim
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Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:25
Marco Janer escribió:La historia olvidará el socialismo, lo nunca podremos olvidar son sus horrendos crímenes, su infamia y deshumanización.
Dios bendiga a Ámerica.
¿Perdone? ¿Que crímenes, infamia o deshumanización?
- Alfonso Cárdenas
- Cantidad de envíos : 6090
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Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:28
Esto no puede estar ocurriendo, es propio de un argumento cinematográfico, mezclar una instancia trascendente, como puede ser Dios, con Institución concreta y lo que pueda hacerse desde ella, como es el Estado. Desde luego la faceta de actor que precede a la de presidente de EE.UU., por parte del Señor Reagen se ha puesto una vez más en evidencia. Ahora es Presidente, no actor, con todo el respeto del mundo a la última ocupación relevante en el desarrollo cultural, pero no en las decisiones políticas.
Ya estamos mezclando política y creencias religiosas, vulnerando la legislación vigente que marca la aconfesionalidad y/o laicidad estatal, tanto de España como de EE.UU.
Ya estamos mezclando política y creencias religiosas, vulnerando la legislación vigente que marca la aconfesionalidad y/o laicidad estatal, tanto de España como de EE.UU.
- Ramon Ridao
- Cantidad de envíos : 2906
Edad : 42
Fecha de inscripción : 17/05/2013
Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:29
la fuente de nuestra fuerza en el desafío por la libertad humana no es material, sino espiritual
En mi opinión, esta es la frase que más destacaría del discurso.
- Alfonso Cárdenas
- Cantidad de envíos : 6090
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Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:32
Pasqual Prim escribió:Marco Janer escribió:La historia olvidará el socialismo, lo nunca podremos olvidar son sus horrendos crímenes, su infamia y deshumanización.
Dios bendiga a Ámerica.
¿Perdone? ¿Que crímenes, infamia o deshumanización?
Sin embargo no incluímos la historia de las masácres protagonizadas por gobiernos autodefinidos como liberales, véase el caso de la Bomba Atómica sobre Nagasaki e Hiroshima o los graves e inhumanos crímenes de guerra del Ejercito estadounidense en Vietnam. Y contestará que es propio de un clima bélico...
- Marco Janer
- Cantidad de envíos : 6281
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Fecha de inscripción : 19/12/2012
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Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:46
Eduardo Padilla escribió:Pasqual Prim escribió:
¿Perdone? ¿Que crímenes, infamia o deshumanización?
Sin embargo no incluímos la historia de las masácres protagonizadas por gobiernos autodefinidos como liberales, véase el caso de la Bomba Atómica sobre Nagasaki e Hiroshima o los graves e inhumanos crímenes de guerra del Ejercito estadounidense en Vietnam. Y contestará que es propio de un clima bélico...
No me hagan perder el tiempo con sus chorradas, por favor.
- Alfonso Cárdenas
- Cantidad de envíos : 6090
Fecha de inscripción : 31/03/2013
Re: [USA]Ronald Reagan, President of The United States of America: "to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire"
Vie 28 Jun 2013 - 23:51
Bien, si le parece una chorrada las miles de victimas, tanto mortales, como las que sacaron su vida adelante... tiene un serio problema, si es cristiano, que no lo sé, tiene una actitud inmoral al respecto, y si es demócrata, lo pone en evidencia. Condenamos algunas cosas, las que nos convienen, verdad? Mire yo condeno los asesinatos atroces cometidos por el comunismo en la URSS, en Camboya, en Vietnam, en Corea del Norte, me parece una vergüenza además de realmente repulsivo actos como estos, de la misma forma los cometidos por los países alineados en el bloque occidentalMarco Janer escribió:Eduardo Padilla escribió:Pasqual Prim escribió:
¿Perdone? ¿Que crímenes, infamia o deshumanización?
Sin embargo no incluímos la historia de las masácres protagonizadas por gobiernos autodefinidos como liberales, véase el caso de la Bomba Atómica sobre Nagasaki e Hiroshima o los graves e inhumanos crímenes de guerra del Ejercito estadounidense en Vietnam. Y contestará que es propio de un clima bélico...
No me hagan perder el tiempo con sus chorradas, por favor.
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